[WSF-Discuss] (P2P) When did the internet-based 3rd industrial revolution really start ?
willi.uebelherr at riseup.net
Sat Apr 23 18:25:01 CDT 2016
in this text from Michel Bauwens we can see, that he don´t understand,
what is the Internet. And the question to "3rd industrial revolution"?
It is a big and cheap propaganda.
The INTER-connection of local NET-works. Or "Net of NETS". The problem
is, that today in the telecommunication exist no net. We find only bus
and star topologies.
The net is a well defined geometrical structure. We know it from woven
fabrics, from the spider nets, from hammocks, from fisher nets. A
recursive geometrical structure, where every node is connected to his
neighbors. But this structure you will never find in the
telecommunication. And also not in the many "community networks".
Therefore a "internet-based 3rd industrial revolution" don´t exist
because no Internet exist.
What should be this? The dissolve of any form of blocking for
centralized fabrication and his necessary infrastructure. This means,
the actors need his open space for acting in this direction. And this
was firstly focused to the feudalistic structure. But today we have the
And 1rd, 2rd, 3rd ...? It is nonsense.
"Global thinking, local doing" and "knowledge is always world heritage".
For this we need our telecommunication for our communication over
geographical and time distances. We give our telecommunication the form
of Internet, the inter-connection of local net-works. A transportsystem
for digital data in packet form.
It is simple to realize in an open space of free cooperation worldwide.
The most important step, and the first, is to break our dogmatic.
Application layer like Browser
In principle, first we act for our telecommunication on the physical
layer, the connection layer, the transport layer for digital data in
Over this layer we have the application layer, the interpretation layer.
You can use any name. You act on this layer on the data, the second part
in the IP packets.
In the transport layer, we act only on the header in the IP packets. The
information for transport. The data is a closed box.
On the application layer, you can do, what you want. You can use
standardized protocols (languages) or not. You are free to design your
communication with your partners on the other side.
many greetings, willi
St. Elena de Uairen, Venezuela
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An: willi.uebelherr at gmail.com
Post : When did the internet-based 3rd industrial revolution
really start ?
Posted : April 23, 2016 at 10:41 pm
Author : Michel Bauwens
Tags : 3rd Industrial Revolution, Elisabeth Eisenstein, Kevin
Kelly, Robert Gordon, social change, Technology
Categories : Collective Intelligence, Culture & Ideas, P2P
Collaboration, P2P Society and Politics, P2P Subjectivity, P2P Technology
> he 3rd Industrial Revolution is not really computers and the internet, it is the networking of everythin
Regarding the question in the title above, my own proposal would be to
place this in 1993, the date of the invention of the browser for the
world wide web, because it made the massive interconnection of minds
possible from that moments onwards (the decade before it was reserved
for the scientific elite). I believe it makes sense to divide the
network era into an era in which computers were either unconnected, or
only connected by the elite, which used it to create the basis of the
neoliberal re-organization of our global economic system. However, if we
take a non-technocratic view, we could argue that the capabilities of
universal interconnectedness and global cooperation had their cultural
roots in the great cultural revolution that took place in 1968, and the
birth of post-capitalist values in the cultural sphere. Why does this
matter? Because some historians, like Elisabeth Eisenstein in her
history of the effects of the printing press on European society, argue
that it takes four generations for such a full societal change to play
out. So it matters when we begin counting!
Kevin Kelly's hypothesis however, which is focused on the full technical
capability to interconnect all things, starts his calculation more or
less in 1996, the date of birth of the commercial internet, while I
would place it at the birth of the civic internet.
Here ( http://kk.org/thetechnium/the-post-produc/ ) is what he writes:
"If digital innovations, millions of apps, the vast social networks that
are being woven are increasing our living standards where is the
evidence in the GDP?
I think the key sentence in (Robert) Gordon’s paper is this:
“Both the first two revolutions required about 100 years for their full
effects to percolate through the economy.”
Repeat: it took a century for the full benefits of the innovations to
By my calculation we are into year 20 of this 3rd upheaval. Gordon wants
to start the clock on the 3rd Industrial Revolution in 1960 at the start
of commercial computers. That’s an arbitrary starting point; I would
arbitrarily start it at the dawn of the commercial internet because I
don’t think unconnected computers by themselves are revolutionary.
Unconnected computers did not change much. Standalone personal computers
hardly changed our lives at all. They sped up typing, altered
publishing, and changed spreadsheet modeling forever, but these were
minor blips in the economy and well-being of most people. Big mainframe
computers helped the largest corporations manage financial assets or
logistics, but a number of studies have shown that they did not elevate
Everything changed, however, when computers married the telephone. This
is when ordinary people noticed computers. They could get online.
Everything went online. Retail changed, production changed, occupations
changed. This communication revolution accelerated change elsewhere.
Processes and gizmos got smarter because they were connected. Now the
advantages of personal computers made sense because in fact they were
just local terminals in something bigger: the network. As the Sun
Computer company famously put it: the network is the computer.
So the 3rd Industrial Revolution is not really computers and the
internet, it is the networking of everything. And in that regime we are
just at the beginning of the beginning. We have only begun to connect
everything to everything and to make little network minds everywhere. It
may take another 80 years for the full affect of this revolution to be
In the year 2095 when economic grad students are asked to review this
paper of Robert Gordon and write about why he was wrong back in 2012,
they will say things like “Gordon missed the impact from the real
inventions of this revolution: big data, ubiquitous mobile, quantified
self, cheap AI, and personal work robots. All of these were far more
consequential than stand alone computation, and yet all of them were
embryonic and visible when he wrote his paper. He was looking backwards
instead of forward.”
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