[WSF-Discuss] (P2P) When did the internet-based 3rd industrial revolution really start ?

willi uebelherr willi.uebelherr at riseup.net
Sat Apr 23 18:25:01 CDT 2016

Dear friends,

in this text from Michel Bauwens we can see, that he don´t understand, 
what is the Internet. And the question to "3rd industrial revolution"? 
It is a big and cheap propaganda.


The INTER-connection of local NET-works. Or "Net of NETS". The problem 
is, that today in the telecommunication exist no net. We find only bus 
and star topologies.

The net is a well defined geometrical structure. We know it from woven 
fabrics, from the spider nets, from hammocks, from fisher nets. A 
recursive geometrical structure, where every node is connected to his 
neighbors. But this structure you will never find in the 
telecommunication. And also not in the many "community networks".

Therefore a "internet-based 3rd industrial revolution" don´t exist 
because no Internet exist.

Industrial revolution

What should be this? The dissolve of any form of blocking for 
centralized fabrication and his necessary infrastructure. This means, 
the actors need his open space for acting in this direction. And this 
was firstly focused to the feudalistic structure. But today we have the 

And 1rd, 2rd, 3rd ...? It is nonsense.

Our perspective

"Global thinking, local doing" and "knowledge is always world heritage". 
For this we need our telecommunication for our communication over 
geographical and time distances. We give our telecommunication the form 
of Internet, the inter-connection of local net-works. A transportsystem 
for digital data in packet form.

It is simple to realize in an open space of free cooperation worldwide. 
The most important step, and the first, is to break our dogmatic.

Application layer like Browser

In principle, first we act for our telecommunication on the physical 
layer, the connection layer, the transport layer for digital data in 
packet form.

Over this layer we have the application layer, the interpretation layer. 
You can use any name. You act on this layer on the data, the second part 
in the IP packets.

In the transport layer, we act only on the header in the IP packets. The 
information for transport. The data is a closed box.

On the application layer, you can do, what you want. You can use 
standardized protocols (languages) or not. You are free to design your 
communication with your partners on the other side.

many greetings, willi
St. Elena de Uairen, Venezuela

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Post       : When did the internet-based 3rd industrial revolution 
really start ?
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Posted     : April 23, 2016 at 10:41 pm
Author     : Michel Bauwens
Tags       : 3rd Industrial Revolution, Elisabeth Eisenstein, Kevin 
Kelly, Robert Gordon, social change, Technology
Categories : Collective Intelligence, Culture & Ideas, P2P 
Collaboration, P2P Society and Politics, P2P Subjectivity, P2P Technology

> he 3rd Industrial Revolution is not really computers and the internet, it is the networking of everythin

Regarding the question in the title above, my own proposal would be to 
place this in 1993, the date of the invention of the browser for the 
world wide web, because it made the massive interconnection of minds 
possible from that moments onwards (the decade before it was reserved 
for the scientific elite). I believe it makes sense to divide the 
network era into an era in which computers were either unconnected, or 
only connected by the elite, which used it to create the basis of the 
neoliberal re-organization of our global economic system. However, if we 
take a non-technocratic view, we could argue that the capabilities of 
universal interconnectedness and global cooperation had their cultural 
roots in the great cultural revolution that took place in 1968, and the 
birth of post-capitalist values in the cultural sphere. Why does this 
matter? Because some historians, like Elisabeth Eisenstein in her 
history of the effects of the printing press on European society, argue 
that it takes four generations for such a full societal change to play 
out. So it matters when we begin counting!

Kevin Kelly's hypothesis however, which is focused on the full technical 
capability to interconnect all things, starts his calculation more or 
less in 1996, the date of birth of the commercial internet, while I 
would place it at the birth of the civic internet.

Here ( http://kk.org/thetechnium/the-post-produc/ )  is what he writes:

"If digital innovations, millions of apps, the vast social networks that 
are being woven are increasing our living standards where is the 
evidence in the GDP?

I think the key sentence in (Robert) Gordon’s paper is this:

“Both the first two revolutions required about 100 years for their full 
effects to percolate through the economy.”

Repeat: it took a century for the full benefits of the innovations to 
show up.

By my calculation we are into year 20 of this 3rd upheaval. Gordon wants 
to start the clock on the 3rd Industrial Revolution in 1960 at the start 
of commercial computers. That’s an arbitrary starting point; I would 
arbitrarily start it at the dawn of the commercial internet because I 
don’t think unconnected computers by themselves are revolutionary. 
Unconnected computers did not change much. Standalone personal computers 
hardly changed our lives at all. They sped up typing, altered 
publishing, and changed spreadsheet modeling forever, but these were 
minor blips in the economy and well-being of most people. Big mainframe 
computers helped the largest corporations manage financial assets or 
logistics, but a number of studies have shown that they did not elevate 
much growth.

Everything changed, however, when computers married the telephone. This 
is when ordinary people noticed computers. They could get online. 
Everything went online. Retail changed, production changed, occupations 
changed. This communication revolution accelerated change elsewhere. 
Processes and gizmos got smarter because they were connected. Now the 
advantages of personal computers made sense because in fact they were 
just local terminals in something bigger: the network. As the Sun 
Computer company famously put it: the network is the computer.

So the 3rd Industrial Revolution is not really computers and the 
internet, it is the networking of everything. And in that regime we are 
just at the beginning of the beginning. We have only begun to connect 
everything to everything and to make little network minds everywhere. It 
may take another 80 years for the full affect of this revolution to be 

In the year 2095 when economic grad students are asked to review this 
paper of Robert Gordon and write about why he was wrong back in 2012, 
they will say things like “Gordon missed the impact from the real 
inventions of this revolution: big data, ubiquitous mobile, quantified 
self, cheap AI, and personal work robots. All of these were far more 
consequential than stand alone computation, and yet all of them were 
embryonic and visible when he wrote his paper. He was looking backwards 
instead of forward.”

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